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["Andy Horwitz" <amhnyc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I just wanted to say that I responded personally to the people who wanted to
know
why only stayed at Deutsch 6 months.
I didn't feel that a public forum was appropriate for the things I had to
say.
For the record, I was at my previous agency for almost two years and am
approaching one year
at my current workplace with no intention of moving.

I think that during the Internet "Boom" it made economic sense to move
quickly,
because that's how the market was. To stagnate was to die. Now, its less
prudent. duh.

That being said, I think that generally you can suss out pretty quickly if a
work environment
is going to be healthy (relatively) or dysfunctional. And rapid turnover is
generally less a
reflection of the employee than the company. If  someone I'm interviewing
has a string of short-term jobs, I tend to look somewhat askance at their
resume -
but I think everybody has, at one point or another, taken a job they thought
would
be beneficial only to realize quickly that it was a bad fit.

I don't think that duration of employment is necessarily the best (or most
useful) metric by which
to judge an employee or a company. There are so many mitigating factors to
be considered ....



----- Original Message -----
From: "No Name" <kkny3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 12:18 PM
Subject: [webproducers] Re: Project Manager experience


>
>
> I think the smart companies realize the value of having long term
employees.
>   And let's be realistic, how long does it really take for someone to
really
> get up to speed at a company --- knowing not only the job but also the
> strengths and dificiencies of coworkers.
>
> I am not saying 2 jobs in 10 years but 6 months is a bit short and I am a
> person with short-term experience.
>
> What do the rest of you think?  How long does it really take to understand
> and environment?
>
>
>
> >From: "Scott Huber" <scott@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: <webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: [webproducers] Re: Project Manager experience
> >Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:31:35 -0700
> >
> >
> >On the flip side there is a company here in Oregon looking for a web
> >marketeer with "no more than two jobs in the last ten years" which has
> >listed on monster.com so frequently I suspect they've had little or no
> >applicants.
> >
> >Beyond that any company so high-minded to consider only
> >six-or-less-monthers
> >deserves whom they hire (disclaimer:  unfortunately as hard as I've tried
> >to
> >stay with one firm, my last two gigs fit in this same category.) (Waaaa.)
> >
> >-Scott
> >http://promofo.com
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: webproducers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:webproducers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Morry Galonoy
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:21 AM
> > > To: 'webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > Subject: [webproducers] Re: Project Manager experience
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Remember the days when people never stayed at any jobs longer than a
few
> > > months? I knew someone who actually stayed
> > > somewhere for over a year and when she finally decided to move and was
> > > interviewing she later found out one job turned her down because they
> >were
> > > skeptical of anyone who"wasn't good enough" to find greener
> > > pastures in less
> > > time.
> > >
> > > _______________________________
> > > morry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Olsen, Erik [mailto:Erik.Olsen@xxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 10:03 AM
> > > To: 'webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > Subject: [webproducers] Re: Project Manager experience
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > sounds like just about any job in new York...
> > >
> > > why did you leave after just 6 months....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Erik L. Olsen
> > > Senior Producer, Broadband
> > > http://ABCNEWS.GO.COM
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "Andy Horwitz" <amhnyc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Reply-To: webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > To: <webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Subject: [webproducers] Re: Project Manager experience
> > > Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:03:32 -0400
> > >
> > >
> > > Um, okay.
> > >
> > > As much as I want to give in and just dish dirt ...
> > >
> > > I thought about it and I would just say that you should be
> > > prepared to work
> > > really, really hard. You will
> > > be well compensated financially  (probably), but you will work very,
> >very
> > > hard under sometimes adverse conditions.
> > >
> > > Since I left Deutsch they have hired additional project managers,
> > > they have
> > > installed a former
> > > account director as Creative Director, and have staffed up
> > > considerably. So
> > > my experience may not
> > > be the current status quo. Let's just say that while I was working
there
> >I
> > > was constantly meeting new and unexpected
> > > challenges from many different places ...
> > >
> > > Deutsch is, deservedly, one of the best ad agencies in the world, with
a
> > > roster of great clients.
> > > And if you work there, you will be expected to work like you're
playing
> >in
> > > the big leagues.
> > > There are a lot of smart, driven people there who take advertising
very
> > > seriously and want to win at any cost.
> > > Deutsch promotes people, they compensate well and I will readily
> > > admit that
> > > I learned more in 6 months there than I would have imagined
> > > possible. Mostly
> > > because those six months felt like 6 years.
> > >
> > > I think that if you plan on working there, you need to know that the
job
> > > will take up a LOT of your life ...
> > > Deutsch is a place for people who are extremely driven and focused.
> > >
> > > That's my short version.
> > > And anyway, I need to go get some dinner ....
> > >
> > > Best -
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > >
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