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I have heard that EE is super awesome.

If their Simple Commerce Module isn't all that (it actually looks  
like it only does Paypal transaction, and I'm going to have old  
people buying who know nothing about Paypal), what do you use  
instead? Are they open source, can people build modules to plugin,  
and if so have you used any?

Thanks for the info Florian!


On Feb 28, 2008, at 9:18 AM, Florian Fangohr wrote:

> It's possible to build Drupal templates that are completely custom,  
> but it's
> harder to work around the built in navigation et all, there are a  
> bunch of
> templates, but Drupal doesn't have a user base that is very design- 
> oriented
> (like MT and EE which is picking up steam). Drupal is a "do all  
> tool", it
> doesn't look to specialise, so you have to be creative and really  
> put your
> nose to the grind stone to make it work for you. In that way it's  
> similar to
> ZenCart, or OScommerce, they can do anything you will imagine but  
> that also
> makes it inherently complex.
> EE is a system with a solid user management, templating and publishing
> system which has plugins that handle very specific tasks and make  
> them very
> easy for you. For me the system covers 95% of what I want to do on  
> most
> sites (again with the exception of heavy duty ecommerce.)
> To sum it up, with EE including the hooks or creating custom fileds  
> (that
> are automatically set up in the database) is so simple that I start  
> with
> design and XHTML first and don't worry about implementation,  
> templates or
> backend. I am not a Drupal pro and when I deal with it I use the  
> standard
> templates and try to work inside of them because I am scared.
>
> Your milage may very, for me it was an easy choice.
>
> Rant over.
>
> FF
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/28/08, Andrew Boardman <boardman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Great thread. Comment below:
>>
>>
>>>> I asked a client who is currently using Drupal how she felt  
>>>> about it
>>>> and
>>>> she was pretty negative. She felt it was clunky and unreliable
>>>> compared
>>>> to what she used in the past (which was a custom CMS) and she was
>>>> dependent on IT when she had a problem, something you're usually  
>>>> what
>>>> you're trying to avoid with a CMS.
>>>
>>> I can second that.
>>>
>>> Drupal is OK with you stick to its' template structure, but it's not
>>> as easy to create a flexible system that doesn't exactly follow  
>>> suit.
>>> I have worked on three projects where clients were migrating away  
>>> from
>>> drupal.
>>>
>>> Personally, I like expression engine. It's like a multi-blog  
>>> wordpress
>>> engine (I find it easier to set up and deploy than WP), it can  
>>> create
>>> static pages, has a great build in forum, mailing list manager, user
>>> rights and account administration, a gallery function and a wiki.  
>>> It's
>>> based on PHP and does have a plugin architecture and low level  
>>> paypal
>>> payment system, if you are looking for a payment system I wouldn't
>>> recommend it (bakesale is great in combination though.) Note that  
>>> all
>>> of these features are part of the plugin architecture, so if you  
>>> don't
>>> need them you don't activate them and the application stays lean.
>>
>>
>> Florian, we're thinking of transitioning from MT to EE, which is just
>> getting rave reviews from designers and developers. It's impressive.
>> Two questions:
>>
>> * We have a project for which we're considering Drupal, in part
>> because it allows the administrator to easily create and place pages
>> and builds new navigation. MT can't currently do this easily but  
>> can EE?
>>
>> * Related to your comment above, do you need to absolutely stick to
>> Drupal's template structure? Is there really no good way of building
>> pages yourself and integrating the hooks? If so, is there currently a
>> lack of good templates out there?
>>
>>
>> Andrew.
>>
>>
>>
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