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["Keren Solomon" <kerensolomon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I agree with Morry that clients may balk at a separate line item for PM.
That's because PM often is the highest billing rate on the entire project,
and many clients don't see the necessity of paying for what they perceive to
be general management skills.  ("Why am I paying for a PM when I'm also
paying for a creative lead and a technical lead...?")  In the past, I have
felt very comfortable saying that paying for a PM is the same as paying for
a general contractor when you're building a house.  Yes you have an
architect, a plumber, an electrician, etc., but the value of a general
contractor is his ability to manage everybody else.  Clients have understood
that, especially when it's said with a smile and a sense of confidence and
love (as opposed to making a client feel like you're just padding their bill
by putting in resources that aren't needed...).  In the current environment,
I have seen more proposals go out with the PM blended into another lead
role -- eg. Creative Lead + PM, Technical Architect + PM.  It remains to be
seen how well this ultimately works out.

keren

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Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:02 PM
To: webproducers-list
Subject: [webproducers] Re: Web Development Shops and Interactive
Agencyrates?



Michael,

Maybe you can compile responses you get directly and on list and post them
all at the end?

We charge for project management usually as an itemized part of the
project but I know most people I have spoken too say they always have to
charge less and build it in to other parts becuase clients don't want to
pay too much for pm.

mg

On Sat, 16 Feb 2002, Michael Pinto wrote:

>
> I'd like to get a better idea what rates web development shops and
interactive agencies charge
> these days. With the fall of large firms like Rare Medium and smaller ones
like Dennis Interactive
> I can only guess that prices have come down over the last year, but I'm
not sure by how much.
> Specifically I'm thinking of shops that have a Manhattan overhead and
employee between 10 and 100
> people. So I'd like to know the range of rates that shops are charging
for:
>
> - Strategic Analysis
> - System Design/Technical Specifications
> - Art Direction/Creative Specification
> - Interface Design/Functional Specifications
> - Writing Object Oriented Code (Mod Perl, Java)
> - Writing Scripting Language Code (ASP, JSP, Cold Fusion and Javascript)
> - Writing Gourmet HTML (i.e. writing with a program like BBedit and the
pages run and looks great
> on many browsers)
> - Producing WYSIWYG HTML (i.e. Dreamweaver)
> - Graphic Design & Screen Layout
> - Quality Assurance/Testing
> - Writing Technical Documentation
>
> Are companies charging for project management or do they roll those costs
into their overhead?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Michael
>
>
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