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["Raincrow" <raincrow@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I'm glad that others in the Knoxville region have finally heard what sound like 
Fish Crows! When I've reported those "uh-uhs" in the past, I've received the 
standard "no, that's probably an odd-sounding Am Crow." Yet I lived for many 
years in Northern VA within sight of the Potomac River, with its abundand Fish 
and Am Crow populations. In addition, my mom and I have Am Crows breeding on 
our respective properties so I am extremely familiar with their wide range of 
vocalizations. Therefore, I've been fairly confident of my aural ID of Fish 
Crows in this area, always near large bodies of water, although I had no 
incontrovertible proof. As there have been reliable identifications on the New 
River in West Virginia (not so far from us --- forgive me -- as the crow 
flies), as well as in Chatt and West TN, it's not unreasonable to think Fish 
Crows might be found here from time to time. (Now, how does one prove it short 
of capturing one?)

Liz Singley
Kingston, TN



----- Original Message -----
From: cwelsh [mailto:cwelsh@xxxxxxx]
Sent: 7/29/2005 5:06:52 AM
To: tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [TN-Bird] Knox County fish crows

Dean/Bates,

Twice in the last month I've seen and heard what I thought were Fish Crows out 
on the Lyons Bend peninsula in Knox County.  The first sighting was July 3rd 
at about 7 pm.  I was shooting baskets with a friend (Jeff Duncan) when I 
heard what sounded like the "Uh-uh" call of a Fish Crow.  I stopped and looked 
and soon saw the crow flying east to west and pointed it out to Jeff.  He had 
heard the bird as well and also thought Fish Crow.  A second crow followed the 
first at a distance of 100 m or so.

On July 9th I was at the same location (Peninsula Club out on Lyons Bend) at 
about 6:30 pm when I heard the "Cah" call which could be a Fish Crow or 
perhaps confused with young American.  I saw a single crow flying east to west 
again, calling periodically.  As it got closer I could hear an answering "Cah" 
and soon saw the 2nd crow, again following the first at some distance, but 
clearly answering the first bird's calls.

I can't swear that these were Fish Crows, but I'd bet on it.  The Uh-uhs of 
the bird on July 3rd were pretty clear.  Both times these birds were flying 
east to west, roughly from the direction of UT Plant Sciences Farm toward 
Craig Cove, possibly heading to roost.

Chris Welsh
Knoxville, TN

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>
>Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:48:44 -0400 (EDT)
>From: K Dean EDWARDS <kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [TN-Bird] Re: Fish Crow?
>
>
>Keep in mind that young American Crows have calls that sound
>very similar to those of Fish Crows.
>
>That being said, there have been (over the last few years) a
>few reports of Fish Crow up the TN river from Chattanooga,
>to Kingston, and now a few tentative reports of "could be"
>birds are coming in from Knoxville.
>
>It's a little pet project of mine.  If anyone sees/hears a
>bird they think is a Fish Crow in the greater Knoxville area,
>I'd appreciate hearing about it.  Please include location
>and details (i.e., why you think it might have been a Fish
>Crow).
>
>
>Dean Edwards
>Knoxville, TN
>
>
>
>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Bates E. wrote:
>
>> This afternoon I was standing in a parking lot north of Knoxville, and
>> saw a crow, perched on a sign, that was making the call of a Fish Crow
>> (high pitched nasal "cah").  I am familiar with the species from the
>> VA coast. Could they be here?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Bates Estabrooks
>> Andersonville, TN
>>

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