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[Don Nelson <dhwn@xxxxxxx>]

I totally agree with the original poster and the supporting responders.

In my opinion, it is inappropriate to apply different levels of common courtesy 
depending upon the medium of interaction.  As Eric said, not being face to face 
is no excuse for an unprofessional attitude.  Certainly there are those who 
enjoy a good flame war and, to them, I say please keep it off the list; nothing 
is keeping you from emailing your comments directly.  This isn't the "thought 
police", after all, just a request for professional behavior on a professional 
*public* mailing list.

Debates are entirely appropriate and often illuminating; but there is 
absolutely no need for a spirited debate to devolve into personal or cultural 
attacks.  I personally find such behavior to be quite off-putting and I'm 
relieved to learn that I am not the only one.

Kind Regards,
Don 
--
Don Nelson
Ericsson
"There are 10 kinds of people in this world: those who can count in binary and 
those who can't."

 
On Wednesday, September 12, 2007, at 03:27AM, <gianguida@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>Dear Eric,
>I completely agree with you.
> 
>it would be a great defeat for any of us 
>if persons like you unsubscribe from
>the list..and a victory for non professional person that love to loose their 
>time offending others in a public list..
> 
>Giancarlo
> 
>PS sorry for my terrible english
>________________________________
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>Da: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx per conto di Eric Bogatin
>Inviato: mar 11/09/2007 15.53
>A: drew3rdof3@xxxxxxxxxxx; 'SI - LIST'
>Cc: Eric Bogatin
>Oggetto: [SI-LIST] Re: Suggestion for lowering the temperature
>
>
>
>Drew and others-
>
>I side with Art's sentiments. The SI list is a virtual community of
>professionals. I think we all should behave like professionals on this list.
>I personally do not believe that professionals "smack" each other or rant
>and rave, calling each other names or degrading them.
>
>If you cannot express your thought or opinion on this list as you would in
>the professional workplace, in front of the individual, then don't do it on
>the list.
>
>As an adult, I have a low tolerance for someone not treating me with
>respect. In my own experience, I have learned far more from folks that
>pointed out my mistakes and provided guidance while treating me like a
>professional, than by yelling at me.
>
>While it is true that I can easily press the delete key when I encounter a
>"flame" note, the more frequently they occur the more hassle it becomes and
>the more likely I am to not read any notes and finally unsubscribe from the
>list.
>
>I have left more than one job because I was not treated professionally.
>
>I think our guiding principle on this list needs to be to treat all
>respondents the way we would if they were standing in front of us on a
>stage, and the rest of us were listening in the audience. If you can't treat
>someone with respect in this context, then take it off line and don't
>pollute the list.
>
>I joined the list more than 10 years ago when Ray Anderson had the great
>idea to build a virtual SI community. I am close to my threshold to
>unsubscribe from this list.
>
>Let's not corrupt Ray's vision.
>
>--eric
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>Behalf Of Andrew W. Riley III
>Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:13 PM
>To: SI - LIST
>Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Suggestion for lowering the temperature
>
>I don't agree.
>
>It's human to get heated and yes, it's professional to control it but let's
>not turn into robots.  I do not believe everyone keeps their cool all the
>time.  The list's admin rightly decides when things get out of hand and
>anyone can let the group know they think that is the case.
>
>And I also think "being PC" is a load...  I concede that it is possible to
>publicly broadcast that a question or topic is believed to be elementary
>without letting me know that I am out of my league.  Hmm, but will I
>remember that?  Me; Probably.
>
>Personally, when I get smacked upside the head I do my best to figure out
>how not to get hit,.. ever again.  Learning can be free, but remembering
>always costs something.
>
>Cheers!
>Drew
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Loyer, Jeff" <jeff.loyer@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: <art_porter@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 7:20 AM
>Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Suggestion for lowering the temperature
>
>
>> Yes, yes, YES!!!
>>
>> Great idea, Art.
>>
>> Jeff Loyer
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of art_porter@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:48 AM
>> To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [SI-LIST] Suggestion for lowering the temperature
>>
>> I would like to throw out a suggestion to reduce the amount of
>> irrelevant and contentious mail tying up the SI-LIST reflector and
>> participants' mailboxes:
>> =20
>>
>> If you judge a query to be either stupid, trivial, politically
>> incorrect, or offensive, then just don't reply. For example, how do I
>> start designing high speed circuits, where can I get free software, why
>> don't US companies hire more or fewer engineers from country XYZ, etc.
>> If you feel compelled to argue with the sender, then "reply to sender,"
>> not "reply to all." =20
>>
>> =20
>>
>> If you want to help the person asking the question and you feel you have
>> a valid answer to their question, then by all means reply and share the
>> answer with the rest of us.=20
>>
>> =20
>>
>> Just my humble opinions.
>>
>> =20
>>
>> Art Porter
>>
>> Agilent Technologies
>>
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