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["broad_bill" <broad_bill@xxxxxxxxx>]

I second that ... especially given it's racial undertone. I'm 
surprised Brent DeWitt did not learn from the past bashings that such 
comments usually attract. 

Bill.

--- In si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Steve Mitchell" <SteveMitchell@xxxx> 
wrote:
> OK, Guys,
>                 this is not what this forum is for. Lets keep the 
politics
> out of this list
> Regards
> Steve Mitchell
> GullWing Ltd
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Clewell, Craig" <cclewell@xxxx>
> To: <bill_hargin@xxxx>
> Cc: <bdewitt@xxxx>; <si-list@xxxx>
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 1:10 PM
> Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: just curious
> 
> 
> > Bill,
> >
> > Here is a "micro-idea"....tax the imported cheese so that it is 
more
> > expensive to import than export.  That would make it cheaper to 
process
> the
> > cheese here.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hargin, Bill [mailto:bill_hargin@xxxx]
> > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:52 PM
> > To: 'bdewitt@xxxx'; si-list@xxxx
> > Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: just curious
> >
> >
> > Hi Brent ...
> >
> > > Has this list become the most popular technical list in India
> > > in the last
> > > few months???
> >
> > Perhaps ... This is an interesting question.  The Internet, jet 
travel,
> cell
> > phones, and commercial broadcasting have progressively shrunk the 
globe.
> As
> > the globe shrinks, things that used to happen one state away, now 
happen
> > countries and continents away.  The underlying question 
surrounding
> > previously American jobs going to Asia or other regions parallels 
the
> > "protectionist" (import tariffs, etc.) vs. open market question.  
(A
> > difficult subject.)
> >
> > I can't say I have a good feel for how an American engineer should
> respond.
> > The Indian and Chinese economies are growing faster than ours (in 
the
> U.S.).
> > They buy U.S. products, and we hire some of their engineers and 
call
> center
> > people to help develop and support some of those products.  (Note: 
I'm not
> > driving this, and you're not ... it's being driven by immutable 
economic
> > forces.)
> >
> > If I could make a book recommendation ... beyond some of the 
excellent SI
> > books that have been discussed on this list ... it would be "Who 
Moved My
> > Cheese?" by Ken Blanchard ($13 paperback; $10 Audio on Amazon).  
The point
> > he makes -- in about a 2-hour read (longer, if you read slowly 
like I
> do) --
> > is that change is going to happen.  Jobs are going to move from 
America to
> > India, or wherever.  Instead of trying to hold onto the past, 
though, he
> > recommends "following the cheese."  The point is kind of obvious, 
but
> > sometimes the most obvious points are the ones that we habitually
> overlook.
> >
> > The book covers a macro-level point that I believe applies here.  
I'm not
> > sure what the "micro-level" answer is.  Better training and
> differentiation,
> > perhaps?  Move to India?  Start a hardware engineers' union?  :-)
> >
> > We see this in Seattle, where I live, all the time.  Boeing 
employees
> (both
> > engineers and hourly workers) want to keep jobs and Boeing's 
headquarters
> in
> > Seattle.  So, the company responds by moving the HQ to Chicago, 
and
> farming
> > out subassemblies to every part of the world.
> >
> > I doubt that many people (Americans or otherwise) on this list 
have the
> > inertia or leverage to affect a trend of this magnitude ... Or to 
stop the
> > free flow of information over the Internet, for example ... So the 
best
> > thing you and I can do is decide what we're going to do now that 
the
> cheese
> > is moving.  If I had specific (micro-level)ideas, I'd be happy to 
share
> them
> > ... Maybe someone else does.  I'm doing well just to keep enough 
cheese on
> > my table ... And it's moved a few times these last 5 years, 
requiring that
> I
> > change my approach, and keep my eye on the cheese supply!
> >
> > Sorry if I'm raining on anyone's parade ... I just think that 
complaining
> > about this type of trend will only slow down a person's ability to 
respond
> > effectively.
> >
> > Bill Hargin
> > Redmond, WA, USA
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: si-list-bounce@xxxx
> > > [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxx]On Behalf Of Brent DeWitt
> > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:11 PM
> > > To: si-list@xxxx
> > > Subject: [SI-LIST] just curious
> > >
> > >
> > > Has this list become the most popular technical list in India
> > > in the last
> > > few months???
> > >
> > > Brent DeWitt
> > > Loveland, CO
> > >
> > > 
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