[opendtv] Re: News: Nielsen Gives Fuzzy Picture of HDTV Penetration
From: "John Willkie" <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:31:28 -0800
Will do. We talk about R. Bogner from time to time.
John Willkie
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De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En
nombre de Bob Miller
Enviado el: Thursday, November 08, 2007 11:09 AM
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Asunto: [opendtv] Re: News: Nielsen Gives Fuzzy Picture of HDTV Penetration
Say Hi to Jeremy for me. He helped me a lot in early days of my LPTV
experience.
Bob Miller
On Nov 8, 2007 1:27 PM, John Willkie <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Actually, I can think of two broadcasters in Anchorage Alaska (one is my
> customer, KYES-DT) that use 704x480 video. KYES-DT has two 704x480
streams.
> At one time, they had three, until I bitched about 4:3 video in a 16:9
> frame.
>
> I have no connection to the other broadcaster; I couldn't even name the
> chief engineer. I can provide screen captures from TS_reader with the
> particulars, if you wish.
>
> Also, at least one broadcaster in Los Angeles (KXLA, I think) offered, the
> last time I checked, at least one 704x480 stream.
>
> In San Diego, KUSI-DT offers a badly-stretched 4:3 picture in 704x480.
>
> So, I have problems with your predicate. The three markets that I know of
> all provide 704x480 video. If you had said "no broadcaster in the
Lansing,
> Michigan market uses 704x480", I wouldn't be able to dispute that. But
> currently -- at this very moment -- I know of three broadcasters that use
> 704x480 video.
>
> At KYES-DT, we've also tried 720x480, but that breaks a few receivers, and
> my customer is concerned about that. (We've done much testing in this
> area.)
>
> I read the entire post, John. It was incorrect, and your caveat didn't
> work.
>
> John Willkie, who tries (or tends to think he tries) to avoid
> all-encompassing statements when he only has a few data points.
>
> P.S. And, I'm assuming that "practical use" means more than 0
broadcasters
> use it.
>
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> De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En
> nombre de John Shutt
> Enviado el: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:12 AM
> Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Asunto: [opendtv] Re: News: Nielsen Gives Fuzzy Picture of HDTV
Penetration
>
> John,
>
> Please re-read what I wrote.
>
> 704x480i in 16:9 is a valid ATSC format (yes I know table 3 was not
adopted
> by the FCC) but it is not currently used by a single broadcaster in the
> United States. I said it would never be used. I said that perhaps 480p
> 16:9 would be used, but 480p is ED, not SD.
>
> I said that the only 16:9 native format IN PRACTICAL USE will be HD
content.
>
> That includes 720p60, 1080i30, 1080p24, and 1080p30. For cable, that
could
> also include 1080p60 using advanced codecs.
>
> Thank you for reading the entire post, not just what jumps out at you as
> wrong.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
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