FreeLists / openbeos / [openbeos] Re: BeOS/Zeta is (not) immune to attacks

["Niklas Nisbeth" <noisetonepause@xxxxxxxxx>]

Bruno wrote:
> That's a novel concept. So I should not be allowed to erase my own
> files? Next you will suggest a talking paperclip asking me to confirm
> changes to any and every file I try to change/erase. :)
OI! That's below the belt! :)

I have to say though that my proposed solution of not actually
deleting, but only flagging for future deletion, is slightly less
unobtrusive than talking paper clips. It might still not be good, and
it can obviously be circumvented (for i > 100000000000, echo "1111" >
fileOfDeath; i++). Arr. The more I look at it the less I believe it..

Zenja wrote:
> Anyway, this topic really belongs in Glass Elevator mailing list.
It does. Maybe we should start a discussion there... it's actually
seeing some traffic these days. I think your mail would be a good
starting point, if you want to forward it. I'm guessing most people
there are here as well.

Urias wrote:
> ...(definition of security)..
> The OS and applications should not prevent it, but should
> prevent it without the user's consent. (I think this is what you really
> meant)
You are right, of course. And Maurice's examples maybe aren't all so
good... like those OS X "virusses" that are really just shell scripts
that rely on people inputting their passwords. I wish there was some
way to allow you to undo that...

On the topic of file deletion though, this goes back to the Unix
Hater's Handbook. Unix doesn't have a concept of "trash", unlike, say,
the MacOS, it always just deletes files directly, and that's a problem
in the OS that needs to be addressed. I think that's a valid
criticism.

Cian Duffy wrote:
> Those of us that use BeOS day in, day out as our primary OS
I thought I was the only one left who did that... new here though.
Didn't actually use BeOS till last february.

> sometimes come across files that Tracker -will not- delete, which is
what tools that
> delete properly are for
I've never seen this in my soon-to-be 1 year of BeOSing. Shirley this
is a tracker bug that needs to be fixed?

> Does Windows's "del" or OS X's "rm" send stuff to
> Recycle/Trash? No.
No, but maybe they should? See above, Unix Hater's Handbook.

....

Crikey. I haven't had anything this close to flame war since 2004. I
thought I was losing my touch:)

/Niklas