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[lit-ideas] Re: Better late than never

From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 23:35:06 -0500
Maybe the real question is, what does it mean to us that Iran has nuclear 
weapons?  They can't do anything to us or they fry.  Is there a chance they 
don't know that?  How is their having nuclear weapons different from North 
Korea or Pakistan or anyone else?  


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Lawrence Helm 
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 2/1/2006 11:21:52 PM 
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Better late than never


The military option did work.  We have achieved our military objectives in 
Iraq.  The one not present at the beginning is the insurgency but as your 
article indicates, that is likely to be achieved as well. 

Now, hold it.  Don?t you be sending me articles and then when I agree with them 
and ask if you read them say you don?t need to read them.

However, since you didn?t read your own article, I guess I can?t expect you to 
read the one by Gertz I posted, but if you did, you?d see we probably aren?t 
going to use a full scale invasion just to interdict and render harmless Iran?s 
nuclear weapons.

Also, the articles out there indicate that Iran is the nation rattling a saber 
not the U.S.  It is a long, long, long, standing UN edict that Iran (among 
others) should not develop nuclear weapons.  Iran claimed to be complying with 
the edict.  Now the president of Iran is blustering and rattling his saber and 
saying he is going to build nuclear weapons and we can?t stop him since we are 
just a ?Super Power of Straw.?  If we are a Super Power of Straw then we won?t 
be able to stop him.  


Lawrence 




From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Andy Amago
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:04 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Better late than never

It's called spin.  We're negotiating is good news, but we're negotiating 
because the military option didn't work.  I don't need to read articles on why 
the world needs more war.  We have enough nuclear capacity to wipe out Iran and 
just about everybody in the wolrd many times over.  They're not insane unless 
you have reason to believe they are.  If we were so "successful" in Iraq, how 
in the world can we even think about invading Iran?  We need to focus on making 
ourselves secure, like having a Manhattan project to develop alternative fuel 
sources.  Instead, we're busy rattling sabers.  People don't learn, not even 
the hard way.  So be it, have your war.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Lawrence Helm 
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 2/1/2006 10:54:38 PM 
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Better late than never

Irene:  you ought to read this article.  Its very good.  It follows logically 
from the Christopher Hitchens article I posted a few days ago.  The Sunni 
Insurgents were shooting at Al Quaeda in the Hitchens article.  In the one you 
post, dialogue between the U.S. and the Iraqi Sunni insurgents is in progress.  
Thats good news.  

Here is what you wrote in your previous note: To much of the world, we are a 
rogue state.  We started an offensive war for no reason and that we now have to 
finish.  Never mind Lawrence.  I'll bet you're a card carrying member of the 
NRA too.  BTW, there's an article in Newsweek that we are covertly (not so 
covertly I guess if Newsweek knows about it) negotiating with the insurgents in 
Iraq.  We're using diplomacy, only a bit late.  If I can find the link, I'll 
send it.

The Newsweek article does not support what you wrote.   The offensive against 
Saddam Hussein and subsequently against the Islamists in Iraq seems to be (as 
your article suggests) even more successful than I thought.

Lawrence






From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Andy Amago
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:33 PM
To: lit-ideas
Subject: [lit-ideas] Better late than never

It was easier than I thought:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11079548/site/newsweek/
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