why do i keep returning to this issue of choreography and structure? because if we want to talk about the experience of interacting we need to know what the interactions and their phenomena are. without structure, there is nothing to interact with. if real-time composition is our new focus are there 'trends' (patterns) we can observe in the outcomes, or is it all 'unique'. if the dancer(s) are co-authors at the moment of performance we need to hear from them ... directly. we also need to know what technologies they are interacting with, and how they operate / communicate. not for the sake of the 'new' but to read alongside the dancer(s) reports. jeanette also identifies a potential issue. if 'professionals' find it hard to report their 'decisions' within interactive settings, the public/audience will (possibly) find it harder. "no time for reflection and thought" ... perhaps there is a subconscious following of 'choreographic habit'. following 'first' impulse / memories is also considered a choreographic structure by many improvisation practitioners. we also need to discuss how effect/affect is experienced. the 'interfaces' (themselves structures) offer a limited number of options. the 'freedom' is in perception (of the performer) not the underlying code or content. we have yet to see a discussion of how to help dance-tech performers 'see/experience' differently. the tendency is to use technology to 're-mediate' the space. this leaves the performers with casual and patterned responses. this conditioning remains even when the code/content/outcomes change. ... the concept of 'interaction' is regularly brought up on this list. and always without a 'reasonable' definition. new-media theory is often used to point at definitions, but (never?) improvisation practice. i'm wondering why we choose to exclude the extensive experiential, and conceptual knowledge this practice offers. interaction and perception are at the heart of improv & real-time composition. if we took more time to understand, and model some of its findings, our interactive 'technologies' would be richer. On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Johannes Birringer <Johannes.Birringer@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: dear Jeanette, list: thanks for taking the time to elaborate your experience and your thinking on "en/traced", it was very helpful, I feel I understand what you are saying quite well, and you are using a manner of describing the interaction and connectedness (in this real time performance) that is very evocative (and probably coming from the thinking you have done about embodiment and the physical/phenomenological, but also the sense of the "machinic" in the physical interaction with the machine (technical, virtual, computer generated) environment [...]