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["Mike Loftus" <mikeloftus@xxxxxxxxx>]

George,

Thank you again!
Dave from Prescott has no more questions - at this time.

I would like to have responded directly via e-mail however I can not
locate your personal address, only the one listed above.  I did notice
at the bottom of this e-mail my direct address is attached.  Why is it that
mine is attached and your address is not?  I thought there was a way to see
your address and respond directly?  Can this be done, and if so, how?

Mike


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Converting H to He is the process of nuclear fusion, and requires the
intense pressure and temperature found at the core of a star.  It's
actually quite a complex formula, and involves bunches of istopes
(proton-proton chain, CNO cycle).  Go to
http://zebu.uoregon.edu/textbook/energygen.html for more information.  I've
never heard of He being converted back to H.  It seems to me that this
would REQUIRE energy.  Actually, a star will only convert about 1/4 of its
total H into He over its lifetime.  Then, at the end of its life, it swells
into a red giant or supergiant, and eventually a nova or supernova
distributes the star's outer atmosphere into space.  That's what makes
planetary nebulas.

Our sun will convert about 1/4 of its H into He, then the core will
collapse due to gravity until the pressure and heat can sustain He fusion
into Carbon (1 Billion degrees).  I believe that's as far as a star of our
mass can get.  Once that's completed, it goes nova.  There's excellent
information on this at http://www.maa.mhn.de/Scholar/star_evol.html#A1.1.3


G



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Thank you George.

My first comment on Q1 was indeed the same.  My friend then asked,
"The sun changes H to HE and back to H again without oxygen."


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Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 10:09 AM
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For question 1:

Fire is the combination of an element or compound with oxygen.  In this
case, you are thinking of either hydrogen being burned to form water, or
maybe the combustion of methane.  For either of these, the key is oxygen.
Jupiter does not possess free oxygen in its atmosphere like Earth does.
Therefore, no "burning" can take place.  In fact, if you wanted to have a
fire on Jupiter, you would bring along a bottle of oxygen.

For number 2:

Jupiter is a mixture of various gases and ices, like ammonia ice, water
ice, etc..  This is what helps create the cloud features we see on its
surface.  There are probably a lot of people who could explain this better
than I, but these various substances more than likely "stratify", like
clouds in our own atmosphere.  An object plowing through these layers would
certainly disrupt them.  It wouldn't really be an combustion-type
"explosion".  Instead, there would be energy released from the tremendous
friction generated - just like a meteor coming into our atmosphere.

Anyway, there's my $.02 worth.

George



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                      06/07/2004 09:52 AM
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A friend of mine in Prescott wrote and asked the following questions.
Would
anyone care to elaborate?

Mike

I have always been told that Jupiter is a giant ball of gas that is
primarily hydrogen.
1.  Why don't the immense lightening bolts that occur on Jupiter ignite the
planet?
2.  Since Jupiter is a "gas ball", why did the comet (string of pearls)
make
such a huge visible explosive impact when it hit the "surface".   There is
no surface, just gas!

Dave

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