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[argyllcms] Re: Verifying profile quality of LUT-based scanner and printer profiles

  • From: Milton Taylor <milton.taylor@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: argyllcms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:57:15 +1100
The more you learn the more questions it raises...!

OK I think I'm getting closer to understanding what's happening here. Certainly the banding and posterisation that is happening on the Hue/Sat rainbow has a lot to do with gamut clipping. I can see that this is indeed a savage test, but a fair amount of colours [mainly the greens and blues] even down to Saturation=50% are out of gamut. (At L=0.5) I don't believe this is peculiar to this printer though.

But this has exposed what I think may be the real underlying problem: the 'smoothness' of the contours that define the device's gamut. It seems to me that at the moment, the posterisation and banding I am seeing in the rainbow could be caused by sharpish 'angles' in the contours of the gamut's skin (thinking in a 3D sense), leading to weird effects by the gamut clipping routines when rel col is used. I gather this is what you referred to as something you were working on?

The smoothest result is achieved on the sRGB gamut being printed as Perceptual rendering, although some posterisation is still evident. Also, the color range is now woeful... all the deep blues and greens have gone! Clearly the shape of this printer's gamut (or what the profile think's is the gamut) must be cigar shaped, and perceptual is sacrificing one color dimension far more than the other in order to make the whole thing fit, and still preserve color relationships.

I was a bit surprised to see that a fair swag of the color space in sRGB falls outside the printer's gamut. For some reason I had assumed that sRGB fitted reasonably well into the typical inkjet's gamut, but that is apparently not the case. This is where I need to look at the 3D shape of the gamut compared to other printers and to the various working spaces.

If I try a more demanding test...printing Ektaspace Hue/Sat rainbow using perceptual intent, I now get a reasonably wide range of hues and saturation preserved in the result, but some slight posterisation remains around the deepest blues and gentle posterisation in some other areas. Otherwise it's a bit uneven looking.

If the shape of the gamut skin has any significant non-linearities in it, I imagine it is possible that these are not necessarily smoothed out just because of using Perceptual rendering intent? Or, is it possible that you can still get banding with Perceptual rendering intent for some other reason?

Another question: all this was done at 8 bits per channel. I am wondering if I started out with a 16 bit rainbow, would I possibly get less errors being introduced when Photoshop does the conversion to output space, even though the printer will only be taking it at 8 bits? I suppose that is possible when working at the extremes of the gamut where the RGB values are either almost zero or almost 255 on one of the channels?

Lastly, I wonder if this is a case where perceptually, the eye is more concerned about the posterisation bands than it is with the spatial size of the colour flat spots caused by clipping. Perversely, a profile with smaller numbers of entries in the LUT may actually cause less noticable banding than a high quality LUT. Mind you, if the objective is to always stay inside the printer gamut then this is a non-issue.

Cheers//


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