FreeLists / arachne / [arachne] Re: [a4dos-list] RE:FTP uploading (was: GPL violation ???)

["Glenn Gilbreath Jr." <wizard57m@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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Joe,
ESACTLY!!  That's what I have been saying all along!
You just now confirmed what I have had to do as well...
I use an alternate browser to Arachne to actually manage
my groups, as well as my Yahoo Briefcases, GeoCities sites,
and Yahoo Mail!  You use the newer version of Lynx...
I have it as well, but haven't fired it up yet.  I use
2.8.4dev9 most of the time, compiled with PDCurses.
Alternatively, I use Lynx 386 2.8.1 rel1 compiled with
S-Lang...gives a little smaller EXE, but not as much
flexibility...it doesn't allow "LOCAL_EXEC", which I 
use for email purposes.
Why didn't you say this in the first place?  It is no
shame to use one of the alternates available...heck,
I even fire up Windows 3.11 on some occassions when I
need JavaScript, and I have Windows 95 A for things that
even Win3X can't do.  In Win3X, Opera 3.62 will do the
HTTP Uploads...but, it is a bit tricky at Yahoo...add
one extra file to your desired uploads, and when the last
one starts, you can stop the upload...for some reason,
Opera 3.62 doesn't finish the entire upload even with
scripting turned on.  Sure, it's not perfect, but, it
works.
C U L8R!
Glenn
On ?, da Silva, Joe wrote:

> Hi Glenn,

> There were (are) two issues that were outstanding with the
> FTP site that L.D. was referring to. The first one was very
> basic, in that the promised account details have yet to
> be forwarded to me ... so the second issue is irrelevant.  <g>

> As for uploading files to Yahoo Groups using FTP, I wasn't
> aware this was even possible. Initially, I alternated between
> using Arachne and Mozilla to manage the group, because
> Arachne seems unable to HTML-upload. Later (now), I
> alternate between Arachne and Lynx386 (currently I use
> 2.8.5dev.16), since the later provides HTML-upload capability
> and I can switch between Arachne and Lynx386 without
> hanging-up and redialling.

> Joe.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:        Glenn Gilbreath Jr. [SMTP:wizard57m@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent:        None
>> To:  Arachne4DOS
>> Subject:     [a4dos-list] Re:RE:Re:RE:Fw: GPL violation ???

>> Regarding "How to use a site with Arachne"...
>> when viewing the file, press F2, then click on
>> the Upload via FTP, enter the username and
>> password name in the spaces provided...
>> how hard is that?  By the way, I'll bet you
>> CANNOT do that with Arachne to Yahoo Groups?
>> If you can, then something with your Yahoo
>> server is different from mine...mine is located
>> in the USA, and has stronger encryption.  Since
>> current US laws still prohibit export of strong
>> encryption oversees to foreign countries, those
>> Yahoo servers based in "International Yahoo"
>> sites do not utilize the same encryption.  That
>> in addition to the invalid domain used in the
>> cookie header data will crash Arachne for me.
>> Glenn

>> On ?, da Silva, Joe wrote:

>> > Well L.D., the FTP "offer" was made some time ago, yet I
>> > am still waiting for the promised :
>> > a) Account details & password.
>> > b) Instructions on how to use said account with Arachne.
>> > All I've had is promises and/or questions of "have I sent
>> > you the details yet?". This is *not* in any way meant as
>> > a criticism of the person charged with supplying me these
>> > details, for whom I have the greatest respect, just making
>> > you aware of the facts (which you could have checked
>> > before making your assertions!).

>> > In the meantime, in the spirit of GPL, I had code I wanted
>> > to share with anyone interested, so I made it available at
>> > Yahoo Groups, where not only can anyone download it,
>> > they can also upload their own contributions.

>> > BTW, I'm also uneasy with this closed-club mentality where
>> > only select people can contribute, I want anyone who has
>> > something to contribute to be able to do so, which is exactly
>> > what Yahoo Groups allows.

>> > So, how small do you think I should feel?

>> > Joe.

>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From:     l.d.best@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [SMTP:l.d.best@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> >> Sent:     None
>> >> To:       Arachne4DOS
>> >> Subject:  [a4dos-list] Re:RE:Fw: GPL violation ???

>> >> Mr. da Silva,

>> >> It seems this whole thing bores you.  That is too bad.

>> >> You see, your attitude and your refusal to make the source
>> >> code "freely
>> >> available" -- despite the fact that two separate FTP sites
>> >> *in* *addition* *to* Mr. McCorkle's site -- are made
>> >> available for you to upload the source code so that it can
>> >> be downloaded via open-to-everyone FTP and/or
>> >> open-to-everyone HTML link.

>> >> Thus your insistence that the source code can only be
>> >> available via membership in a Yahoo Group is insupportable,
>> >> and that type of "It's my ball, so you play by my rules"
>> >> behavior is unconscionable.

>> >> Do you feel like a big powerful important person now?  I
>> >> hope so, because in the eyes of many you are making yourself
>> >> smaller and smaller ...

>> >> l.d.

>> >> ----- Original Message Follows -----
>> >> >
>> >> > Yawn!
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi Glenn, thanks for passing on this piece of drivel.  <g>
>> >> >
>> >> > Since *anyone* is free to join ArachneDevelopment at *any*
>> >> > time, they can access the sources there whenever they
>> >> > want. If they can't be bothered, well, that speaks for
>> >> > itself.
>> >> >
>> >> > BTW, it is not by my choice that you first have to sign-up
>> >> > to access the files at ArachneDevelopment, otherwise I'd
>> >> > remove even this *contrived* "obstacle" to downloading the
>> >> > sources.
>> >> >
>> >> > Enough said.
>> >> >
>> >> > Joe.
>> >> >
>> >> > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > From:    Glenn McCorkle [SMTP:glennmcc@xxxxxxxxxx]
>> >> > > Sent:    None
>> >> > > To:    Arachne4DOS
>> >> > > Subject:    [a4dos-list] Fw: GPL violation ???
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ----- Forwarded message begin -----
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:13:37 CST, "Concerned individual"
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > > Hiya Glenn!
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > I'm sending you this email so that maybe you can
>> >> > > > forward to the "Arachne developer" list at Yahoo
>> >> > > > Groups, as well as the Arachne4DOS list at coollists.
>> >> > > > Someone, Joe da Silva I believe, made a comment that
>> >> > > > any updated versions of Arachne could be downloaded
>> >> > from the Yahoo Group site, and only by members of the
>> >> > > > list.  Now, I may be wrong, wouldn't be the first time
>> >> > > > , but this is a violation of the GPL, GNU Public
>> >> > > License.  No restrictions can be placed upon software
>> >> > > > released under GPL as far as who may or may not
>> >> > > > download the original source as well as derivative
>> >> > > > works.  Also, a "changelog" is supposed to be made
>> >> > > available in addition to source codes.
>> >> > > > Perhaps a word from you will jar them back into
>> >> > > > reality. I mean, it's fine if they wish to have a list
>> >> > > > at Yahoo Groups, however, to use that group as the
>> >> > > > repository for future Arachne GPL updates is a
>> >> > > violation of the terms of GPL.
>> >> > > ------ Forwarded message end ------
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > >  Glenn
>> >> > >  http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/
>> >> > >  http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/
>> >> > >  http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/
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