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From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 22:11:06 +0100
Will,

        Will wrote:
        "This is also the behaviour for IE, so it's not a JAWS bug.  That
combo box seems to be the only one with a TabIndex attribute, and so both
JAWS and IE look to be placing elements with a TabIndex before elements
without a TabIndex in the tab sequence."

        It's a code issue, not a browser issue. All browsers should adhere
to this behaviour if the tabindex attribute is apended to an element on the
page.

Tink.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Will Pearson
Sent: 04 July 2005 19:47
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: problem with a website

Hi,

This is also the behaviour for IE, so it's not a JAWS bug.  That combo box
seems to be the only one with a TabIndex attribute, and so both JAWS and IE
look to be placing elements with a TabIndex before elements without a
TabIndex in the tab sequence.

This tab sequence is defined in the HTML 4.01 recommendation from the w3C,
available from:
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#adef-tabindex
which reads:
"Elements that may receive focus should be navigated by user agents
according to the following rules:
1. Those elements that support the
tabindex attribute and assign a positive value to it are navigated first. 
Navigation proceeds from the element with the lowest tabindex value to the
element with the highest value. Values need not be sequential nor must they
begin with any particular value. Elements that have identical tabindex
values should be navigated in the order they appear in the character stream.
2. Those elements that do not support the tabindex attribute or support it
and assign it a value of "0" are navigated next. These elements are
navigated in the order they appear in the character stream.
3. Elements that are
disabled do not participate in the tabbing order."

So, it's definately a design bug in the web page.

Will
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 7:12 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: problem with a website


> Kevin,
>
> I'm now absolutely sure it's the web code that's causing the
> problem. I've looked at that Thames Link page with Jaws 4.5, 5.1, 6.0, 6.1
> and 6.2 and they all behave exactly the same.
>
> If it's any help, I've put together a page on my web site that uses
> this tab indexing technique:
>
> http://www.tink.co.uk/xhtml/tabindex.php
>
> If you move to the first heading on the page, you'll find an
> explanation of what I've done.
>
> Tink.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
> Of
> kevin and emma
> Sent: 02 July 2005 14:35
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: problem with a website
>
> hi tink, what i'm going to try later today is removing jaws 6 altogether 
> and
> reinstalling it. i'll then know if it's something i've changed that has
> upset jfw. though i'm not sure what change could have created this 
> problem.
> i'll report back later! smile.
> kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list contact me 
> on
> kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 2:26 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: problem with a website
>
>
>> Kevin,
>>
>> I wasn't aware that there was a difference, although it sounds very
>> much like there must be.
>>
>> It's curious, tab indexing has been around for a long while and I'm
>> not sure how Jaws could be configuered to deal with it differentlyI've 
>> got
>> v4.5 installed at work, so I'll see if I can figure it out next week.
>>
>> I did try Sunil's suggestion of switching of page refresh, but this
>> didn't seem to make much difference in 6.2. Curious.
>>
>> Tink.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
>> kevin and emma
>> Sent: 01 July 2005 20:59
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: problem with a website
>>
>> hi tink, i take it then that there's something different in the way jfw6
>> handles such webpages compared to jfw4.2, as with 4.2 the page behaves as
> it
>> should. thanks for the info by the way.
>> kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list contact me
> on
>> kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 7:44 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: problem with a website
>>
>>
>> > Kevin,
>> >
>> > This is a web design issue, rather than a Jaws one.
>> >
>> > The site uses something called Tab Indexing. You can apply tab
>> > indexing to elements on a page, most commonly form fields and the like.
>> What
>> > this does is force the tab key to move in a very specific order, quite
>> > often, nothing like the natural order of the web page as you'd expect
> it.
>> >
>> > This is a poor design method, used when pages have no natural or
>> > logical order from the outset. I'm afraid I don't believe there's
> anything
>> > you can do to overcome this, aside frm sending a complaint to the site
>> > deveopers or owners.
>> >
>> > Tink.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>> > Behalf
>> Of
>> > kevin and emma
>> > Sent: 01 July 2005 18:22
>> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: [access-uk] problem with a website
>> >
>> > hi all, i'm having trouble navigating:
>> > http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/incidents/cleared.html
>> >
>> > using jfw6.1. for some reason on the nationalrail website as a whole,
> the
>> > "tab" key isn't taking me to the next link. on the page above for
> example,
>> > if i go to the top of the page and press tab, jaws seems to ignore most
> of
>> > the page and drops me in a combo box in the journey planner near the
>> bottom
>> > of the page. it seems no matter where i place myself, if it's above 
>> > this
>> > journey planner, jaws skips into it. there's plenty of links on that
> page,
>> > but jfw doesn't seem to want to know. it's only this site this happens
>> with.
>> > any ideas?
>> > kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list contact
> me
>> on
>> > kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >
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